Difference between revisions of "Talk:The Techie's Bard AE Kiting Guide"

Revision as of 15:46, 8 July 2014

Important Warning: Parts of this guide may violate Project 1999 rules, as it is against the rules to map any keyboard keys/joystick buttons to more than one keypress. In other words, you can make your joystick's "A" button press the spacebar, or ctrl+spacebar, but not to spacebar, F1, 5.

--Jacmac (talk) 20:52, 29 May 2014 (UTC) Can you cite the location of a rule that covers this? The only statement of rules I've been able to find anywhere is here: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5586 In this post I cannot find any statement that says pressing a joystick button (or similar) can not could not press 3 keys or 20 keys. I don't have a problem with such a warning, although I think it should be a bit more clear and put at the top of the guide rather than in a middle section. The guide itself (or parts of it) can't violate the server rules, but the player could by thier specific implementation.

Important Warning: Some of the following suggestions (the ones recommending binding multiple actions to a single button press) violate Project 1999 rules, which prohibit "any type of automatic control/response/manipulation/macro on your character in place of manual control." [1].

--Jacmac (talk) 21:38, 30 May 2014 (UTC) The post you cited says, "Programs that parse the log file are fine, as long as they do not do any type of automatic control/response/manipulation/macro on your character in place of manual control." It does not say anything about binding actions or key to buttons. Please don't add "interpretations" for what a post says as a warning. The guide does not advocate or suggest in any way that a player should or could use a parser to initiate any type of automatic control, response, manipulation, or macro. And the post makes no mention at all of binding keys, commands, or macros to key, joystick buttons, or the hotbar in the game.

I have tried to clarify the language of the warning by referencing the core rules instead of an obscure statement from Rogean. The basic idea that has been expressed many times in the forums is that you can't use software (including gamepad software) to do anything a user without that software couldn't do. Clearly, anyone without gamepad software (or other separate software) can't press the "A" key on their keyboard and have it translate in to pressing 1 then 2.

However, while that would certainly seem to be "an unintended advantage", as I noted in my revised text the GMs have never specifically said as much. I'm trying to find or elicit some sort of official response from them in the forums, but until I get one I think it's best to present people with the information.

I do apologize: I'm really not trying to crap all over your guide, I just don't want to encourage new players to violate server rules (or at least I want them to be aware of any potential for such a violation). If I can get someone on the staff to say "it's ok to multi-map buttons" I will be the first to replace my warning with a quick note "this doesn't violate server rules and the GMs said as much here".

--Jacmac (talk) 15:46, 8 July 2014 (UTC) I'm sorry, but you're just interpreting what's been posted about using automation and exploitation. Most players understand that you can't use Macroquest or some other form of automation, but programming a joystick or keyboard is not that kind of automation. It is not exploitation if the player is in control of the buttons on the joystick or the keys on the keyboard. Rogean was fairly specific in his post regarding automation - any automated response to a log entry is illegal. Anyway, the posted rules just don't say anything about joysticks, gamepads, keyboards, or other similar programmable devices.