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Hey, lots of interesting ideas for the item pages. I am moving it here for now and replacing it with the current "template" for items. I am definitely open to improving this and adding some of the elements you have on this page, but let's think more about them first (and how we would update all existing item pages to such a new format). --[[User:Ravhin|Ravhin]] 15:55, 7 November 2011 (UTC) | Hey, lots of interesting ideas for the item pages. I am moving it here for now and replacing it with the current "template" for items. I am definitely open to improving this and adding some of the elements you have on this page, but let's think more about them first (and how we would update all existing item pages to such a new format). --[[User:Ravhin|Ravhin]] 15:55, 7 November 2011 (UTC) | ||
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| − | + | Thanks for writing up your thoughts, I agree with most of them. Let's separate out style from content first though. | |
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| − | == | + | === Content === |
| − | + | In particular, all of your points under "lacking information" are already considered. For example: [[Short Beer]]. | |
| − | + | Currently, the categories of information included with [[Template:Itempage]] are: | |
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| − | + | * Notes (can be anything) | |
| − | + | * Drops from which mobs | |
| − | * | + | * Related to/used in which quests |
| − | + | * Player crafted (which tradeskill, trivial) | |
| − | + | * Used in player tradeskils (which tradeskills) | |
| − | * | + | * Foraged by players (in which zones) |
| + | * Sold by merchants (name,zone,location) | ||
| + | * Book contents (if a book) | ||
| − | + | Is there something missing from this list that you can think of that would be useful? | |
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| − | + | 1. Lack of section setup (lack of "edit" buttons on each section). | |
| − | + | I agree, this is a technical difficulty I ran into with using a template. In fact I disabled the "edit button on each section" for item pages because clicking it leads you nowhere useful and can making editing extremely frustrating. For example, I did not remove it on mob pages, see [[Ambassador DVinn]] and what happens if you try to edit the Description (it takes you in to edit the template). If you know of a solution for this I will fix it. | |
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| − | == | + | 2. Not including sections for which there is no information. |
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| + | For example, [[Small Bronze Helm]] does not include a "sold by merchants" section at all because it is not sold by merchants. I agree it would make things look more consistent if the same section were present on every page, but then again some are almost always mutually exclusive - what is sold is rarely dropped by mobs, for instance. Furthermore, the classic Allakhazam approach has been what we have used here, not including sections that are "empty", for instance [http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=14540] does not have any mention of merchants or quests. | ||
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| + | On this point I'm not sure which is better to be honest. | ||
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| + | 3. Auction pricing too big. | ||
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| + | I designed this with a widescreen (1920) screen in mind, in which case it looks good I think. I agree on a (1680) screen it is a bit big. Make it 100px less wide? | ||
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| + | === Example === | ||
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| + | Just a quick try at what the current item page for [[Small Bronze Helm]] might look like including all categories. | ||
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| + | <div style='margin:20px;padding:10px;border:1px solid #cca;'> | ||
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| + | {{Special:AuctionTracker/Small Bronze Helm}}__NOTOC__{{Itembox | ||
| + | |itemname = Small Bronze Helm | ||
| + | |lucy_img_ID = 550 | ||
| + | |statsblock = | ||
| + | Slot: HEAD<br> | ||
| + | AC: 10<br> | ||
| + | WT: 5.6 Size: SMALL<br> | ||
| + | Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD BRD<br> | ||
| + | Race: ELF HIE DEF DWF HFL GNM<br> | ||
| + | Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)<br> | ||
| + | }}{{#if: Part of the ''small'' [[Bronze Armor]] set. | | ||
| + | Part of the ''small'' [[Bronze Armor]] set. }}{{#if: [[Mistmoore Castle]] | ||
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| + | * [[a ghastish ancille]] | ||
| + | * [[a ghoulish ancille]] | ||
| + | * [[a hemo enologist]] | ||
| + | * [[a vampiric ancille]] | ||
| + | * [[an ancille cook]] | ||
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| + | [[The Estate of Unrest]] | ||
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| + | * [[a barbed bone skeleton]] | ||
| + | * [[a greater dark bone]] | ||
| + | * [[an undead knight of Unrest]] | ||
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| + | [[Rathe Mountains]] | ||
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| + | * [[a barbed bone skeleton]] |<br> | ||
| + | = Drops From = | ||
| + | [[Mistmoore Castle]] | ||
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| + | * [[a ghastish ancille]] | ||
| + | * [[a ghoulish ancille]] | ||
| + | * [[a hemo enologist]] | ||
| + | * [[a vampiric ancille]] | ||
| + | * [[an ancille cook]] | ||
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| + | [[The Estate of Unrest]] | ||
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| + | * [[a barbed bone skeleton]] | ||
| + | * [[a greater dark bone]] | ||
| + | * [[an undead knight of Unrest]] | ||
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| + | [[Rathe Mountains]] | ||
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| + | * [[a barbed bone skeleton]] }}{{#if: |<br> | ||
| + | = Related Quests = | ||
| + | {{{relatedquests}}} }}{{#if: |<br> | ||
| + | = Player Crafted = | ||
| + | {{{playercrafted}}} }}{{#if: |<br> | ||
| + | = Tradeskill Recipes = | ||
| + | This item is used in player tradeskills: | ||
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| + | {{{recipes}}} }}{{#if: |<br> | ||
| + | = Foraged In = | ||
| + | {{{foraged}}} }}{{#if: |<br> | ||
| + | = Sold By = | ||
| + | This item is sold by merchants: | ||
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| + | {{{soldby}}} }}{{#if: |<br> | ||
| + | = Book Contents = | ||
| + | {{{bookcontents}}} }} | ||
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| + | [[Category:Items]] | ||
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| + | </div> | ||
Revision as of 01:43, 9 November 2011
Item Page
Hey, lots of interesting ideas for the item pages. I am moving it here for now and replacing it with the current "template" for items. I am definitely open to improving this and adding some of the elements you have on this page, but let's think more about them first (and how we would update all existing item pages to such a new format). --Ravhin 15:55, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Proposed Item Page Changes
Thanks for writing up your thoughts, I agree with most of them. Let's separate out style from content first though.
Content
In particular, all of your points under "lacking information" are already considered. For example: Short Beer.
Currently, the categories of information included with Template:Itempage are:
- Notes (can be anything)
- Drops from which mobs
- Related to/used in which quests
- Player crafted (which tradeskill, trivial)
- Used in player tradeskils (which tradeskills)
- Foraged by players (in which zones)
- Sold by merchants (name,zone,location)
- Book contents (if a book)
Is there something missing from this list that you can think of that would be useful?
Style
1. Lack of section setup (lack of "edit" buttons on each section).
I agree, this is a technical difficulty I ran into with using a template. In fact I disabled the "edit button on each section" for item pages because clicking it leads you nowhere useful and can making editing extremely frustrating. For example, I did not remove it on mob pages, see Ambassador DVinn and what happens if you try to edit the Description (it takes you in to edit the template). If you know of a solution for this I will fix it.
2. Not including sections for which there is no information.
For example, Small Bronze Helm does not include a "sold by merchants" section at all because it is not sold by merchants. I agree it would make things look more consistent if the same section were present on every page, but then again some are almost always mutually exclusive - what is sold is rarely dropped by mobs, for instance. Furthermore, the classic Allakhazam approach has been what we have used here, not including sections that are "empty", for instance [1] does not have any mention of merchants or quests.
On this point I'm not sure which is better to be honest.
3. Auction pricing too big.
I designed this with a widescreen (1920) screen in mind, in which case it looks good I think. I agree on a (1680) screen it is a bit big. Make it 100px less wide?
Example
Just a quick try at what the current item page for Small Bronze Helm might look like including all categories.
| 30d Avg | 90d Avg | All Time Avg | All Time Range | # Seen |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| ? ± ? | ? ± ? | 11 ± 6 | 1 / 75 | 192 |
| Date | Seller | Price | Date | Seller | Price |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2021-02-10 | Qoxz | 10 | 2021-02-06 | Temptres | 12 |
| 2021-02-05 | Temptres | 12 | 2021-02-04 | Temptres | 12 |
| 2021-02-03 | Temptres | 12 | 2021-02-02 | Temptres | 12 |
| 2020-09-08 | Fufus | 10 | 2020-03-27 | Mikiko | 5 |
| 2019-08-11 | Rapoo | 10 | 2019-08-03 | Rapoo | 10 |
| 2019-07-31 | Rapoo | 20 | 2019-07-30 | Rapoo | 20 |
| 2019-07-11 | Varthe | 10 | 2019-07-10 | Varthe | 10 |
| 2019-05-02 | Glyr | 20 | 2019-05-01 | Glyr | 20 |
| 2019-04-29 | Ladyteyla | 10 | 2019-04-27 | Youbuy | 12 |
| 2019-03-31 | Njikam | 15 | 2019-03-24 | Stochos | 10 |
(Last 20 Recorded Auctions)
Slot: HEAD
AC: 10
WT: 5.6 Size: SMALL
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD BRD
Race: ELF HIE DEF DWF HFL GNM
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)
Part of the small Bronze Armor set.
Drops From
