Revision as of 00:02, 10 November 2011

Item Page

Hey, lots of interesting ideas for the item pages. I am moving it here for now and replacing it with the current "template" for items. I am definitely open to improving this and adding some of the elements you have on this page, but let's think more about them first (and how we would update all existing item pages to such a new format). --Ravhin 15:55, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Proposed Item Page Changes

Sorry about the UNIQ... corruption of the section names, it will go away once we delete the AuctionTracker from this page.

Thanks for writing up your thoughts, I agree with most of them. Let's separate out style from content first though.

Content

In particular, all of your points under "lacking information" are already considered. For example: Short Beer.

Currently, the categories of information included with Template:Itempage are:

• Notes (can be anything)
• Drops from which mobs
• Related to/used in which quests
• Player crafted (which tradeskill, trivial)
• Used in player tradeskils (which tradeskills)
• Foraged by players (in which zones)
• Sold by merchants (name,zone,location)
• Book contents (if a book)

Is there something missing from this list that you can think of that would be useful?

Style

1. Lack of section setup (lack of "edit" buttons on each section).

I agree, this is a technical difficulty I ran into with using a template. In fact I disabled the "edit button on each section" for item pages because clicking it leads you nowhere useful and can making editing extremely frustrating. For example, I did not remove it on mob pages, see Ambassador DVinn and what happens if you try to edit the Description (it takes you in to edit the template). If you know of a solution for this I will fix it.

Reference: [1]

Also, the fact that it is "template code" instead of just wiki markup that people may be more familiar with is unfortunate. But I don't know how to use templates without doing it this way? If you have some reference I am happy to look into it.

2. Not including sections for which there is no information.

For example, Small Bronze Helm does not include a "sold by merchants" section at all because it is not sold by merchants. I agree it would make things look more consistent if the same section were present on every page, but then again some are almost always mutually exclusive - what is sold is rarely dropped by mobs, for instance. Furthermore, the classic Allakhazam approach has been what we have used here, not including sections that are "empty", for instance [2] does not have any mention of merchants or quests.

On this point I'm not sure which is better to be honest.

3. Auction pricing too big.

I designed this with a widescreen (1920) screen in mind, in which case it looks good I think. I agree on a (1680) screen it is a bit big. Make it 100px less wide?

4. Double column.

I agree if we are including enough sections.

5. "Make a new page" button.

Is there a link to a wiki showing how this would work? In general I agree with the philosophy here which states, in short, that the best to create a new page is to first create a "red" link to it, because a page that isn't linked to is pointless.

Example

Just a quick try at what the current item page for Small Bronze Helm might look like including all categories.

Project 1999 Auction Tracker (Blue)

30d Avg	90d Avg	All Time Avg	All Time Range	# Seen
? ± ?	? ± ?	11 ± 6	1 / 75	192

Date	Seller	Price	Date	Seller	Price
2021-02-10	Qoxz	10	2021-02-06	Temptres	12
2021-02-05	Temptres	12	2021-02-04	Temptres	12
2021-02-03	Temptres	12	2021-02-02	Temptres	12
2020-09-08	Fufus	10	2020-03-27	Mikiko	5
2019-08-11	Rapoo	10	2019-08-03	Rapoo	10
2019-07-31	Rapoo	20	2019-07-30	Rapoo	20
2019-07-11	Varthe	10	2019-07-10	Varthe	10
2019-05-02	Glyr	20	2019-05-01	Glyr	20
2019-04-29	Ladyteyla	10	2019-04-27	Youbuy	12
2019-03-31	Njikam	15	2019-03-24	Stochos	10

ADMIN (Last 20 Recorded Auctions)

Project 1999 Auction Tracker (Green)

30d Avg	90d Avg	All Time Avg	All Time Range	# Seen
? ± ?	? ± ?	11 ± 9	1 / 153	310

Date	Seller	Price	Date	Seller	Price
2024-05-09	Dustmaker	6	2024-05-07	Dustmaker	6
2024-04-27	Dustmaker	6	2023-09-14	Efraim	8
2023-04-26	Playphul	10	2023-03-05	Lilpharty	10
2023-01-17	Ouwl	10	2023-01-16	Ouwl	10
2023-01-14	Vesc	10	2022-04-28	Musclez	8
2021-10-30	Skullkittie	12	2021-04-25	Evindal	10
2021-04-22	Voila	10	2021-04-19	Silacrevon	10
2021-04-13	Silacrevon	10	2021-04-12	Jeps	8
2021-04-07	Staev	3	2021-04-04	Dispenza	9
2021-03-16	Uhguly	25	2021-03-15	Dorfking	10

ADMIN (Last 20 Recorded Auctions)

Project 1999 Auction Tracker (Teal)

30d Avg	90d Avg	All Time Avg	All Time Range	# Seen
? ± ?	? ± ?	11 ± 4	1 / 18	34

Date	Seller	Price	Date	Seller	Price
2020-01-11	Antonio	8	2020-01-10	Debaser	15
2020-01-09	Debaser	15	2020-01-03	Portadok	10
2020-01-02	Aveira	5	2019-12-30	Jevaxe	6
2019-12-29	Portadok	10	2019-12-28	Bonkum	9
2019-12-26	Bonkum	9	2019-12-22	Laksha	1
2019-12-21	Tugdual	10	2019-12-18	Vargue	18
2019-12-15	Tugdual	10	2019-12-14	Krimson	15
2019-12-11	Snea	10	2019-12-11	Finlainea	15
2019-12-08	Jevaxe	9	2019-12-08	Renan	10
2019-12-07	Renan	10	2019-12-06	Melatunin	15

ADMIN (Last 20 Recorded Auctions)

Small Bronze Helm

Slot: HEAD
AC: 10
WT: 5.6 Size: SMALL
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD BRD
Race: ELF HIE DEF DWF HFL GNM
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)

Part of the small Bronze Armor set.

Related Quests

• None

Player Crafted

• This item is not crafted by players.

Tradeskill Recipes

• This item is not used in player tradeskills.

Foraged In

• This item cannot be foraged.

How To Obtain

Drops From Name Level Zone a ghastish ancille Mistmoore Castle a ghoulish ancille Mistmoore Castle a hemo enologist Mistmoore Castle a hemo enologist Mistmoore Castle a vampiric ancille Mistmoore Castle an ancille cook Mistmoore Castle a barbed bone skeleton The Estate of Unrest a greater dark bone The Estate of Unrest an undead knight of Unrest The Estate of Unrest a barbed bone skeleton Rathe Mountains Sold By Zone Merchant Name Area Location Ak'Anon a clockwork barkeep (1252, -946) East Cabilis Klok Sass (667, -38) West Commonlands Innkeep Seke (-104, 465) West Commonlands Innkeep Roster (-149, 452) West Commonlands Innkeep Redthorn (-401, 2763) West Commonlands Innkeep Olissa (-384, 2714)