[ Disclaimer, Create new user --- Wiki markup help, Install P99 ]
User talk:Jado818
Contents |
Item Page
Hey, lots of interesting ideas for the item pages. I am moving it here for now and replacing it with the current "template" for items. I am definitely open to improving this and adding some of the elements you have on this page, but let's think more about them first (and how we would update all existing item pages to such a new format). --Ravhin 15:55, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Proposed Item Page Changes
Sorry about the UNIQ... corruption of the section names, it will go away once we delete the AuctionTracker from this page.
Thanks for writing up your thoughts, I agree with most of them. Let's separate out style from content first though.
Content
In particular, all of your points under "lacking information" are already considered. For example: Short Beer.
Currently, the categories of information included with Template:Itempage are:
- Notes (can be anything)
- Drops from which mobs
- Related to/used in which quests
- Player crafted (which tradeskill, trivial)
- Used in player tradeskils (which tradeskills)
- Foraged by players (in which zones)
- Sold by merchants (name,zone,location)
- Book contents (if a book)
Is there something missing from this list that you can think of that would be useful?
Style
1. Lack of section setup (lack of "edit" buttons on each section).
I agree, this is a technical difficulty I ran into with using a template. In fact I disabled the "edit button on each section" for item pages because clicking it leads you nowhere useful and can making editing extremely frustrating. For example, I did not remove it on mob pages, see Ambassador DVinn and what happens if you try to edit the Description (it takes you in to edit the template). If you know of a solution for this I will fix it.
Reference: [1]
Also, the fact that it is "template code" instead of just wiki markup that people may be more familiar with is unfortunate. But I don't know how to use templates without doing it this way? If you have some reference I am happy to look into it.
2. Not including sections for which there is no information.
For example, Small Bronze Helm does not include a "sold by merchants" section at all because it is not sold by merchants. I agree it would make things look more consistent if the same section were present on every page, but then again some are almost always mutually exclusive - what is sold is rarely dropped by mobs, for instance. Furthermore, the classic Allakhazam approach has been what we have used here, not including sections that are "empty", for instance [2] does not have any mention of merchants or quests.
On this point I'm not sure which is better to be honest.
3. Auction pricing too big.
I designed this with a widescreen (1920) screen in mind, in which case it looks good I think. I agree on a (1680) screen it is a bit big. Make it 100px less wide?
4. Double column.
I agree if we are including enough sections.
5. "Make a new page" button.
Is there a link to a wiki showing how this would work? In general I agree with the philosophy here which states, in short, that the best to create a new page is to first create a "red" link to it, because a page that isn't linked to is pointless.
Example
Just a quick try at what the current item page for Small Bronze Helm might look like including all categories.
Slot: HEAD
AC: 10
WT: 5.6 Size: SMALL
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD BRD
Race: ELF HIE DEF DWF HFL GNM
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)
Part of the small Bronze Armor set.
Drops From
Sold By
| Zone | Merchant Name | Area | Location |
|---|---|---|---|
| Ak'Anon | a clockwork barkeep | Bank | (1252, -946) |
| East Cabilis | Klok Sass | Cleric Guild | (667, -38) |
| West Commonlands | Innkeep Seke | Inn #2 | (-104, 465) |
| West Commonlands | Innkeep Roster | Inn #3 | (-149, 452) |
| West Commonlands | Innkeep Redthorn | Map #6 | (-401, 2763) |
| West Commonlands | Innkeep Olissa | Bank 2nd Floor | (-384, 2714) |
Related Quests
- This item has no related quests.
Player Crafted
- This item is not crafted by players.
Tradeskill Recipes
- This item is not used in player tradeskills.
Foraged In
- This item cannot be foraged.
Item Page Changes
I changed the ItemPage template so that the categories always appear and are slightly grayed out if they are "empty."
I changed the AuctionTracker from 600px wide to 500px so it's not quite so big.
Also the tables for the "Drops From" section just like the "Sold By" section - I agree when it drops from lots of mobs but usually (like Runed Falchion) items drop from only one mob in one zone...
--Ravhin 17:58, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
--
I changed the background colors of the alternating rows for the tables to make them slightly darker / more color.
You are of course free to add new pages but they have to stick to the templates, because there are several pages that expect those pages to be in a certain format.
I would recommend you use the utilities here to add new pages: http://www.destinati.com/project1999wiki/wikiUtils.php
I will have to think about a script to change the "Drops From" category into a table like the "Sold By" category, it will probably be a bit.
--Ravhin 02:47, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- (Transcluded from my Talk): I know Wikinews has a Water Cooler where people discuss enhancements/changes. Maximum 19:38, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Wiki Templates
I think you're confused about what the "utilities" do. They aren't the templates, they are scripts that parse other websites and return information in the form expected by the templates.
All the templates can be found here: Special:MostLinkedTemplates
The "move suggested" template is fine but if it is a move that is in agreement with the naming conventions of the wiki then you can just move it. This isn't Wikipedia - there aren't hundreds of editors that want to debate all the minute wiki-related details - there are probably only 20 pages on the entire wiki with discussion pages. --Ravhin 20:36, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Recent Additions and Loot Tables
Thanks for all the recent additions, really getting some things filled in. It would be good if you were slightly more cautious adding things you haven't verified in game.
As you pointed out you found a lot of mobs with the same loot table - this is a post-post-Classic generic EQEmu thing which doesn't exist on p99.
For example all this Kyv stuff is Gates of Discord era (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=53668). Also the high end gems like Blue Diamond do not actually drop off these mobs.
What you should do: if you see this kind of generic loot table (you'll recognize it quickly) it is better to erase it all and put only "Unknown" or "None?". Often, though, there is 1-2 real drops in there and the rest are the normal fake stuff. You will start to recognize them soon enough and can filter them out. Also, you should add the Template:Unconfirmed Itemlist template to any (all) mob loot tables or merchant sell tables you'd not sure about, like Nexona.
Finally, in terms of all these redirects to the same page with different capitalization. It's fine if you want to add these I guess but you should read this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Case_sensitivity_of_page_names. --Ravhin 15:16, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
---
Just to be clear, if you see this sequence of items you should delete it all and replace it by "None":
- Sapphire
- Blue Diamond
- Semi Precious Stone Chunk
- Enameled Gargoyle Eye
- Flake of Gold Leaf
- Pile of Gravel
- Lupine Runed Armband
- Serpent Insignia Collar
- Ethereal Parchment
- Kyv String
- Kyv Cam
- Symbol of the Kyv
- Kyv Balm
- Kyv Bow
I am deleting the non-classic items now so they won't be linked by default in the scraper. --Ravhin 15:28, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
NPC Pictures
Also, if all allakhazaam has is a Luclin-era model picture, just skip it and added the Template:Screenshot Needed template. Better to have no picture than a "false" picture, so to speak. --Ravhin 15:16, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
